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NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET: INNOCENT DEMON

Chapter I:  "The Gardener"

REVISED EDITION
Written by Abri Isgrig and Diane N. Tran


Weeding the last remnants of dead leaves and grass with a three-pronged fork, Freddy Krueger rested on his hands and knees while he stabbed a small spade into ground.  Its surface was dried and cracked due to the heat of the summer sun, but the seasons were changing and autumn was approaching.  It was a new school year at Badham Preschool, just a week in.  He chiseled a hole and scooped through the rich soil that hid underneath before he dug another one beside it.

The man whistled to himself and feigned ignorance to the fact that the three small children were sneaking up behind him, sniggering behind their tiny hands, as he pretended to be focused on planting the new stonecrops and chrysanthemums.

"Wanna play tag with us, Mr. Freddy?" asked Kris Fowles, surprising him by jumping and hugging him from behind.  "You're it!"

The gardener smiled at the child wickedly.  Raising the gardening fork in his gloved hand in the air, his serpentine tongue slithered across his front teeth, which gleamed in delight.  He hoisted his shoulders high, making himself look larger than he was, and exhaled a long, wild snarl and gritted his teeth, as he pretended he was a large bear.  He watched Kris gasp at him and scurry away with a playful scream and a shrill giggle.  He fell to the ground and laughed, wiping a happy tear from his eye.

Sweet girl.  Only five years old.  With shoulder-length, honey-blond hair.  Such an angelic, little creature.

"Sounds fun," the gardener answered, turning to completely face Kris and her playmates.  He groaned as he made to stand, feeling the individual bones of his spine pop, and winced.

"You okay, Mr. Freddy?" asked the little brunette, her hair tied to the side of her head, standing next to Kris.

Her name was Nancy Holbrook.  Beautiful, little Nancy.

"Hmm?  Oh, yeah, I'm all right," he nodded, rubbing the back of his neck.  "I just get stiff from being on my knees all the — tag!"  He grinned, as he lightly tapped his finger on Nancy's shoulder, letting out a joyous cackle before he broke into a slow jog, so the kids could try to catch him but still be ahead of their tiny grasps.

"Hey, no fair!" pouted Nancy, running after him as Kris and one of the boys, Quentin Smith, gave chase, all laughing gleefully.

Freddy ran behind a tree, grinning from ear to ear.  Looking up, an idea struck him and he turned to face the tree, as Nancy, Kris, and Quentin tip-toed toward his hiding place.

"Got you, Mr. Freddy!" exclaimed Nancy, reaching out to pounce him.  But Mr. Freddy was gone.  She blinked, spinning in a circle and searching around the tree baffled.  "Huh?  Where'd he go?"

Kris and Quentin scratched their heads, as they both looked around with her with confusion upon their cherubic faces.  The other children joined in, circling the tree, and poked at the bushes around it, only to gasp and jump when they heard the sound of a voice singing:
    ONE, TWO... FREDDY'S COMING FOR YOU...
Krueger jumped down from the tree branch he'd been sitting on.  He had spotted the limb above his head and had quickly, though with less skills than his younger days, climbed up the trunk of the tree to hide.  He landed with a mischievous "boo," causing the little ones to squeal with delight before they all went to tackle him when he attempted to stand.

"Oh, no, they've got me!" the gardener cried, sniggering, as they began to tickle him.  Quentin and the other boys, Dean Russell and Marcus Yeon, clung to his legs and tickled his knees, while Kris and Nancy tickled his stomach.  Jesse Braun and Leah Uteg went for his sides, as Freddy laughed and curled lightly, their tiny fingers poking and tickling him.

Neither Freddy nor the children saw the young, raven-haired teacher smiling at the sight on the playground.

Neither Freddy nor the children saw the young, raven-haired teacher smiling at the sight on the playground.  Caressing her hands lightly over her tiny bulge of her stomach with contented sigh, Loretta Krueger chuckled at the thought of how a wonderful of father her husband would make before he finally took notice of her and attempted to squirm away from the children.

"Ack, Loretta!  Help!"

"All right, kiddies, that's enough," said Loretta, clapping her hands for their attention.  She was in full-on teacher mode now.  The children all groaned and pouted, as she walked their way.  "Your parents are here to get you.  We'll see everyone tomorrow."

The kids all cheered, as they grabbed their little bags and lunch pails, laying against the fence where their parents were waiting.  Eventually, two adults — Gwen Holbrook and Alan Smith — were the last to arrive, and they always arrived last and always at the same time.  Nancy and Quentin each gave out calls of "Bye-bye, Miss Loretta" and "See ya tomorrow, Mr. Freddy," as they raced out to meet up with their ride.

"You alive, honey?" Loretta inquired with a sugary smile, offering her hand to help Freddy up.

"God, where the hell — excuse me — heck do kids get all that energy and where can I get some?" Freddy asked with a chuckle, combing his hair back and patting his pants to make sure that Smith boy, Quentin, didn't try to steal his wallet again.  The kid had a skilful habit of it.  Sneaky little brat.

Ah, good, wallet intact.  Now, let's see if he still had cash in it...

"Fred, what happened to your hand?" asked Loretta with a small gasp, as Freddy pulled off his right glove in order to dig through his wallet.  There was a long, clean gash diagonally across the back of his hand.  Bits of lint from his glove had adhered to the now congealed blood, making it look painful.

"What, that?  Must've accidentally knocked my hand against the pruning shears when I had my gloves off, that's all," Freddy replied with a careless shrug.  He looked at the cut with disinterest, not really worried about it.  He'd actually forgotten about it until Loretta pointed it out.  "Bled like hell."

"Did you use the first aid kit we've got in the supply closet?" she asked, running her finger across the gash in examination.

"You had a class in the playroom at the time.  I didn't want to freak 'em out.  Like I said, it bled like hell.  Probably best to clean it out now since I've been working in the dirt all day."

He looked down at his hands.  His gloves were wearing out.  The edges were tattered, the stitching was coming undone, and the leather was getting thin.  He'd have to make a mental note to pick up a few spare pairs from the hardware store on his way home.

Loretta led her husband tenderly by his injured hand inside the preschool, unlocking a supply closet in the main playroom and pulling out the first aid kit.  Freddy plopped down on a beanbag chair and leaned back.

"Oooh, gunna play 'Doctor,' are we?" he inquired with a mischievous smirk.  "I like that idea..."

Loretta shook her head, fighting not to smile, as she lightly dabbed rubbing alcohol on the cut.  Freddy inhaled sharply, letting out a mild grunt of pain, as his fingers curling into his palm on instinct.

Goddamn that stung!

"That dampen your mood any?" Loretta teased, as she began to wrap a gauze bandage around the cut.

Freddy leaned forward with, gently nipping the bottom of her ear between his teeth, before whispering:  "No, it only stoked the fire..."  His voice turned husky and gruff.  Loretta bit her bottom lip and her long lashes fluttered, feeling both uneasy and excited at the same time, as he ran his tongue lightly below her jaw.  "I need this, Lore.  You have no idea—"

Loretta lightly pushed him away and continued to look down, as she finished bandaging his hand.

He'd often propositioned her for sex here.  Normally, they'd sneak down to the maintenance room in the basement.  He had set up a moth-eaten bed downstairs specifically for this reason.  However, lately, Freddy had begun suggest that they should be a little more daring and make love in one of the classrooms.  It was an idea that both frightened and enticed her.  If they got caught...

Oh, but that was the least of her worries.

What worried her more was the fact that he suggested it in the first place.
Chapter I: "The Gardener"
Chapter II: "Déjà Vu"
Chapter III: "Of Sinners, Not Saints"
Chapter IV: "A Night at the Bar"
Chapter V: "Son of a Hundred Maniacs"
Chapter VI: "Dirty Little Secret"
Chapter VII: "Madonna and Child"
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Co-written with ~Lady-Rorschach and myself, Innocent Demon is a pastiche of our own interpretation of Freddy Krueger's origins for the Nightmare on Elm Street (2010) reboot, which we've been working on-and-off for over a year. We decided to revise what we have of the story so far because, originally, it was written before we really knew anything about the remake. All we had was an early draft of the Platinum Dunes' script and our encyclopaedic knowledge of the Robert Englund franchise (as well as novels, books, comics, TV shows, etc); now that remake has been released, we decided to keep it closer to the context of the 2010 film. This story is a conglomerate of characters from the original and remake, along with our own personal (revised) theories about the character, the film, and the franchise itself, as well as original ideas...

By personal request, this revised edition is uncensored. I prodded Abri consistently over this for more blood, more sex, more deprivation, more psychologically accuracy, and more Freddy being, well, Freddy as possible. The subject of paedophilia and serial rape, I believe, isn't something you should skate around. We're not condoning these, but desire to make it the audience aware of them, nor are we romanticizing the character into a "hero." In all seriousness, Freddy isn't a character you are meant to like. We wanted the audience to be "seduced" by the character into liking him, even sympathizing with him, and then feel dirtied by his unapologetic actions and feel guilty for being seduced by him in the first place. This takes place before the "death" of Frederick Charles Krueger.

The character of Loretta Krueger originally appeared in Freddy's Dead and there's practically next to no information about the character. I've found a scant few sources — one referenced Freddy and Loretta were high school sweethearts, another referenced her as a waitress at a nearby diner while he worked as a janitor, or her surname was only referenced as "Johnson" and nothing more — but, nonetheless, all of them were unreliable; none of them, not a single one, had citations, period. The truth is that Loretta has never appeared in any other official novelizations, comics, or subsequent medias in general, so we practically made the character from scratch for this story. We hope to give her a stronger, more endearing personality this time around and a far more interesting history to boot.

The chapter splash page above was created by me. We intend to add a new splash image for each chapter, possibly with the logo getting bloodier and bloodier as we get along. We'd also like to give a special shout-out to ~weapon13WhiteFang for being our Grammar Nazi.

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Nightmare on Elm Street © Wes Craven/Platinum Dunes/New Line Cinema.
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Vermink Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
This is really good. Well written with good detail :) Nice one.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Thanks!  I really appreciate that!
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the-sand-prince Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013
good story but im not a big fan of the 2010 elm sreet
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Professional Filmographer
That's fine. But it does have lots of aspects of the original Englund franchise within the context of the story -- things from the Englund franchise I found appropriate and thus added to them to expand the details of the 2010 franchise, while other things I found were just plain ODD in the Englund franchise, so I altered aspects but still kept it as a "tribute" to the Englund franchise. For example, I added the characters from the Englund franchise, like Nancy's father (Sheriff Donald), Freddy's wife Loretta, his mother Sister Mary Helena, and eventually his father (Lead Maniac), but "reboot" them to fit within the 2010 franchise, but it's still a tribute to the original franchise.
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the-sand-prince Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013
i kind of got that but the original series didnt have freddy be all pedo that is my problem
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Actually, no, Freddy Krueger WAS a pedophile in the original franchise. It was subtle and insinuated most of the time, but other times, it was downright obvious; nevertheless, it was ALWAYS there. It always HAS been there. I don't know why people keep saying that it wasn't. From the first film, you had Marge say "he was a filthy old man who killed 20 kids" and said it "it was worse when the caught him," saying they learned what Freddy did was MORE than just murder. The death of Tina is actually an allegory to sexual rape: He's on top of Tina, the bed shakes as if sexually assaulted, she convulses as if she is sexual assaulted, and Tina gives all the metaphoric implications sexually assaulted along the ceiling. Even the phone scene where "Frenches" Nancy is an allegory to sexual (oral) rape and assault. The second film is saturated in Freudian sexual references in every assault, which was heavily homoerotic, yes, but sexual all the same. (To a pedophile, because the children are so young, they have no form of sexuality, that's why majority of pedophiles don't differentiate between male and female because they generally "sodomize" them, so there's no difference between the genders.) Third film, DREAM WARRIORS, you have the syringe scene as an allegory to sexual penetration. You have the scene where he's the phallic worm "devouring" his victim; again, sexual rape and sexual assault. In the FREDDY'S NIGHTMARE episode of "No More Mr. Nice Guy," which retelling of Freddy's origins, you had one of his victims alive, which was one of twin girls. That twin girl had all the red flags of a child rape victim. When Freddy escaped prosecution, he returns to his victim to murder not only the girl to "tattled" on him, but the twin sister as well, and he basically indicates he's going to rape both before killing them. In FREDDY VS. JASON, he licks the back of the photograph of one of his seven-year-old victims; again, sexualizing the crime.

The seventh film, NEW NIGHTMARE, is the most obvious of all Englund franchise. Dillon is a child rape victim. That's how he plays the character, Wes Craven was very, very specific about this. Dillon fears being touched that he withdraws from human contact in general, he fears Freddy grabbing him under his bedsheets (which is why he sleeps with his feet up and Rex guarding his feet), he vomits to signify oral sex, he convulses as if sexually assaulted. Freddy's dialogue is lines like "I have some gingerbread for ya" -- gingerbreading is slang oral sexual assault, forcing a submissive male to perform oral sex -- and you have "I touched him!" How OBVIOUS can you get? He also has lines like "I'm going to eat you all up" and extends his arm out in a phallus being erected, and then proceeds to LICK Dillon, and then DEVOUR his head in an extremely sexualized fashion.

Freddy has ALWAYS been a pedophile, ALWAYS has been. Wes Craven has confirmed this. Robert Englund has confirmed this. Heather Langenkamp has confirmed this. What more evidence do you need?
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the-sand-prince Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013
well im only 13 so im still learning most of that stuff but in the original series it is still subtle
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Professional Filmographer
It's not THATTTTT subtle, but it's subtle enough that people gloss over it, when the truth is...it's ALWAYS been there! Watch them again! Go see for yourself! It's honestly not very subtle at all.
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the-sand-prince Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013
mostly people and i dont like to think freddy as a pedo becuase it just...you know......wierd
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2013  Professional Filmographer
But that's what he is, you can't just gloss over it and say it doesn't exist. That is WHO he IS! That is what makes Freddy...Freddy. I may not like the comedic aspects of franchise, I prefer serious, psychological Freddy, which is why I love the first, third, seventh, and the reboot films the most, but you make it sound I enjoy the character because he is a pedophile. Honestly, I don't, but that is WHAT he is. He's a character. You take all the good and all bad because that's what makes him fascinating as a character.
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Slashphoto Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Did I not comment before? Because this is freaking epic. My Freddy would love it.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Awwwwwwww, thank you! I've been wondering if you read this or not and was curious of your opinions on it. I'm glad you "stumbled" upon it.
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Slashphoto Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My pleasure! Letting mine run rampant has been great fun. Though he tends more towards causing pain tban his sexuality. Not that he isn't sexual, he just likes pain more.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
I'm an analyzer. While the "monster" aspect is all well and good and lots of fun, it's the "psychology" of Freddy's character that reels me in, which catapults out of the realm of other slasher horror icons, like Jason, Myers, etc. I have a fascination for forensic pathology and criminal psychology -- the inner workings of the mind in general. You have a 12 of people live the exact same way, with exact same parentage, exact same education, exact same background, and get 12 completely different results, no two the same, and that's intriguing to me.

So, I'm very specific about showing the little "red flags" of his character: His short temper, his occasional fractures in self-control, his high sex drive, his attraction towards sadism, his fascination for blood, his preference for rough sex, his dislike of being submissive in bed, his need for sexual dominance, signs of childhood molestation and abuse, signs of early animal torture, his clear lack of education of his dialogue, the manner in which he phrases things, the manner in which he "observes" people, the fact he comments on SPECIFIC things and yet leaves the reasons WHY he comments on those specific things unspoken, his contempt for religion, his attraction to Loretta at such a young age, his cynicism, his childish sense of playfulness, the fact he seems more content with children's game rather than adult games, his behaviour when he drinks, his ego, his self-destructiveness, his perverse sense of humour, the fact he turned on "Little League Baseball" on TV, etc. It's all there. The little red flags are all there. The problem is....did you catch them?
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Slashphoto Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I got a lot of them, but not all to be honest. Though the little league game creeped me out I thought I was over reacting, to be honest. But predator behavior, 101 duh! You go where the prey is.

For mine I went with the heavily revised Freddy of the original films. He was meant to be a child predator too, as you well know, but ended up a kiddie slasher, which is somehow OK to the MPAA, or at least better.

But mine has cues too. The way his glove clicks into place, the sudden explosions into violence, the screaming tirades when he abuses Elizabeth. His paranoia, his overwhelming arrogance, and yeah his inability after the first time to be gentle in bed. Even when she tells him she loves him, he is not, as a classic wife abuser, going to trust her. He simply can't.

The fear of loss if he does not abuse her will always win out, it can't be cured. He can push it down for a while, hide it from her, but it is always there. I have unfortunately plenty of familial tales of such men, coupled with studying them from a mental disorder point of view, so I know the ticks perfectly.

You learn exactly what the signs are, just what will set him off. And my response has always been to hit first, to hit back, not that I ever had because women in that situation will jump to the husband's defense.

But knowing it is a disorder doesn't stop my rage. My Emi gets to act out my rage. Freddy points out he never expected her to start fighting back. It fuels his anger, he fuels hers. They are two opposites in the same spectrum.

But they are also alike. Both see violence as OK if they feel unloved. They both feel if they cause the other enough physical pain the victim will realize they are loved. Sort of like Joker's comment about 'tough love' when he bats Harley around.

They feel justified to act out on the anger because to them that IS love. I've been trying through words to show Lizzy's evolution to that violence, Freddy's too. In the first chapters I edited out some swearing and sex so that when it does come as rape and violence it hits all the harder.

THEN I put in the sweet stuff just to mess with readers. I know a lot of women hate that kind of fiction, but I think it serves a purpose. It reminds us there are real monsters, and that they don't really love us. Or if they do it won't stop them from abusing us.

To me it is good for women because it shows we can stop being victims and start fighting back.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Sadly, no one really has commented on the Little League thing, so I didn't know if it was obvious or not. (Either way, it was also a hat-tip to Jackie Earle Haley's role in BAD NEWS BEARS, so I suppose it's a..."triple" entendre?) I honestly have no idea if people notice these flags. I know two or three have, but the general audience...I really have no idea because people haven't really said anything, but they always laugh at the "beaver" joke. Hurm.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feeds these little clues into their own versions of Freddy. I was always one against the one-dimensional monster stereotype. It's dull, it's boring. We have get our jollies out in other ways. I don't expect others to dive as deeply into the psychology of the serial killer and/or pedophile as I feel need to, to watch the interviews from the horse's mouth, listen to the victims, read the case files and psych files, etc. In fact, I rather recommend that people don't for the sake of their own sanity, but I recommend it only if you want to do it right and real.
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Slashphoto Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Haley was in that film? I'm mentally scarred for the rest of my life, lol! He's a wonderful actor, he really is. His Freddy is the kind of guy you'd never expect to become Freddy. Yeah he can be cruel but he looks like a child could beat him up when he isn't enraged.

I have Bio on just about 24/7. I watch how the criminals hunt, how the detectives hunt back, see all the crime scene evidence and such. Not in a ghoulish way, but I want to see WHY a killer does what he does.

Most of the time they manage to look ashamed about it or avoiding talking. But a few, a few are rather special. The love the power. Don't worry about readers missing cues. They will see them when they come back.

I read Dickens and Poe all the time and still find new nuances in the work.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Yep, Haley was Kelly Leak in the original BAD NEWS BEARS -- the bad boy heartthrob in a motorbike. All of a sudden, after years of disappearance, "I'm Rorschach" and "This is Guerrero" and then "Here's Freddy!" Damn you acting talents, Jackie! :wave:

You know, you should check out a site called "Crime Library." It's articles and case files and profiles, concerning criminals and criminal behaviour written by forensic criminologists and forensic psychologists. I highly recommend it: [link]

One of their best articles: [link]
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GeekGemLadiesman11 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
You know I wanna say I like this really. I do like oh how you and your friend(I guess.) show ummm I don't know I guess of how Freddy was before he became the dream master or shall I say a dream demon. Yet still I do like it really. :D
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Professional Filmographer
It does get darker and darker as the chapters goes along. This chapter is the calm before the storm, which is done on purpose. You want to like him. He seems so average, so boringly average, but you know there's something a little...off kilter about him. You don't realize how much until you really dive in. It may come as a surprise when the revelation happens, but it's really not. The signs have always been there, the little red flags, teeny-tiny details, that were constantly overlooked. Could you have foreseen it? Possibly. Could you have prevented it? Maybe. Is he to blame or are you to blame? Uhhhhhhhhhh...up to the reader to decide really.
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GeekGemLadiesman11 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Hmmm indeed I can see that. And yes I have noticed the small details as him having his sexual side when his wife is around.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Professional Filmographer
What you see is relatively normal for a man. It starts getting a little more unsettling as the chapters go by, revealing more of who Freddy is, and you notice red flags. Some are large, some are little, but it alllll adds up. One of the main things I wanted to do with this pastiche is make you really love this character, you root for him, you like him, you understand him, you are SEDUCED by him, but then you find yourself slowly watching a train wreck about to happen and you can't look away. You feel guilty for being seduced, unsettled by it, and creeped out by it, so the reader itself metaphorically becomes a victim of the character as well.
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GeekGemLadiesman11 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Wow....amazing really. Talk about some what like breaking the 4th wall. Let's see no offense if this works for me too. Cause I feel like that a bit like I am well seduced.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Good. I hope it works. ;p
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GeekGemLadiesman11 Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Alright good and I'm sorry I will watch that movie. I'm some what busy and I've got this art thing to do for my art class. I'm gonna make sure I watch that Wait Until Dark movie tonight. Even if I have soem stuff happening tommorow. Dang dang dang it.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Feb 19, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Take your time. No rush.
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Lyssa-Nivans Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very very nice! Love the unique way you tell this story. I shall be reading more.

This does make me feel a bit sorry for him to.
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Awwww, thank you!

You feel sorry for him? Mwahahahhahahahahaha, let's see if that holds as you read along further...
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Lyssa-Nivans Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes :D
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WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student General Artist
Awesome ! I love the detail about Fred`s gardening career and relationship with the kids . Oh , will you explain why Fred goes from a raspy Southern accent as the gardener to a gutteral Midwestern/Southern accent that sounds like a more tortured , demonic , off-kilter Rorschach voice as the dream murderer ?
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Thank you! I really appreciate the comment! We felt it necessary to describe how "loved" he was. How innocent all appearances was and know that there's something most sinister lurking within his characters.

Would you prefer that we explain the accent? We never thought about it explaining it, but we can. I'm from the South, so I don't really read the Southern "twang" in his accent. It's more Jackie's natural "twang" as he's lives in Texas, too.
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WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student General Artist
So , to elaborate :
Jackie Earle Haley Real Voice : Soft , light , casual Texan/Valleyboy mix
Rorschach Voice : Raspy yet gutteral , quiet , introspective , nearly but not quite monotone .
JEH Pre-Burned Freddy Voice : Raspy , harsh , somewhat creepy Texan accent with a similar vocal quality to Herbert from Family Guy ( Which fits as they`re both totally creepy pedophiles masquerading as nice guys to lure kids in ).
JEH Post-Burned Freddy Voice : Raspy yet gutteral , demonic ,off-kilter Midwestern/Texan accent with only slight hints of Valleyboy .
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I can completely hear the Californian "Valleyboy" accent. He was born and raised in California for 25+ years and then moved to Texas for 20 years, so it's not surprising that he has both accents in real life.

Well, the only time I can really hear the Texas twang is when pre-burned Freddy says the phrase "whatchadrawin'?" and "fix 'em." The manner in which he says them is a very country -- and I think I naturally do this, too. Everywhere else, I can't hear it. I do add "whatcha"s and and "whattaya" and "ya"s to his dialogue in the story, but that's primarily to establish his level of education, which is very rudimentary at best.
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WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student General Artist
Ya . I , myself , was born in Glendale , CA ; moved to Sherman Oaks for 2 Years and Riverside for 3 ; have been living in Long Beach , CA since 1997 and aside from brief sojourns have pretty much remained here ever since ; my mom was born in Syracuse , New York and grew up in Liverpool , New York where my maternal grandmother was born ( She moved to California over 20 Years ago and has a Mixed New York/Valleygirl accent ) ; my dad was born in Baltimore , Maryland , has been pretty much all over The U.S. and lives in Burbank and Van Nuys . I am of Danish , Dutch , French ( From the Alsace-Lorraine region ) , Polish , Scots-Irish , Austrian and Ukrainian descent all on my mom`s side . The majority of my blood is Danish , Polish , Ukrainian and French . My accent is mostly General Long Beach Urban with some hints of Valley , New York , Southern and Irish from a number of influences . I`m also a High-Functioning Aspie and can do both Freddy Voices perfectly .
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Professional Filmographer
I'm Vietnamese-American. My parents were both born in North Vietnam and, to escape Communism, moved to Saigon, South Vietnam, so they have South Vietnamese accents. Because my father was rich, he went to French-speaking schools. My mother was poor, she went to normal Vietnamese-speaking public schools in Saigon. Although they lived in the same city and heard of each other -- my father was known to be very smart, my mother very beautiful -- they never met. By the Fall of Saigon in April 1975, they immigrated to Dallas, Texas. They met in Texas, fell in love, married, and had two kids. I'm the eldest, lived in Texas all my life, so it's no wonder I have a slight twang in my English. When I speak Vietnamese, I'm told I have an American accent (although it doesn't sound Texan in any way, apparently).
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WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2012  Student General Artist
Interestin` .
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Texas is a form of Southern , ain`t it ? I mean , maybe not in relation to SoCal where I was born and raised so much but in relation to a lot of states . And , Jackie`s natural accent is actually more a soft , light Texan/Valleyboy mix while his Freddy voice is a raspy , harsh Texan accent which becomes a deep , gutteral , off-kilter Midwestern accent with only a brief hint of Valleyboy when he said " Hi , Kris , you look just as beautiful as ever " .
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Yes, Texas is a form of Southern. California has thst West Coast/Valley accent, very Hollywood. My friend from California (from Orange County) does say I have a "twang" to my voice and I can hear her "Valleygirl" accent while she can't.

NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET does take place in Ohio, so it's the Midwest, so I'm not surprised by the Midwestern accent. If you've seen LINCOLN (2012), Jackie does a magnificent Southern accent in the film. Again, not surprising. When he was Guerrero, I could hear the "twang" better, particularly when he would drawl out his words, like "Awwwllright," and the way he says "Dude" always came off as more Texan (downward) than Californian (upward) to me.

I think the best explanation is from one of the early scripts of NIGHTMARE. Freddy isn't from Springwood at all. He kind of APPEARS in Springwood one day, like a vagrant, hopping from one town to the next. I always saw this as a man without roots: That he established himself in a town, goes awful things, then when things get to hot, he hops off to another town. This begs the question if Fred Krueger is his real name.

For INNOCENT DEMON, we took this concept and expanded it: Freddy was born at St. Dymphna's, on the outskirts of Springwood (before Springwood expanded into that part of the countryside, but back then it was called something else. In my mind, it's Westin Hills and/or Fairview). As an infant, he was sent to Cincinnati Orphanage and remained there until age 6, then lived with foster parents. Then somewhere along the way, he became that "vagrant" figure, going from town to town, leaving each town for "sinister" reasons, and eventually took residence in Springwood. Why? Because of Loretta. With Loretta, with his marriage, he established roots for the first time, but they've only been together for 4 years. As the chapters go on, you'll see how these roots start to loosen and fray, and he starts to go back to his "old ways." Because marriage isn't a solution to pedophilia. Marriage is not a "cure" for the sexual appetites of pedophiles. It's a temporary fix, it's a band-aid. Loretta never "cured" Freddy of the problem. If anything, being that she was 15, she FED the problem and so the character is back to where he started. This is when the shit hits the fan and you'll see that as the story expands.
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WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Student General Artist
The accent change probably wouldn`t bother me so much if it weren`t for the fact not one person in the Reboot sounds even remotely Midwestern except Post-Burned Freddy ! Quentin , Mr . Smith , Dean , Nancy and Gwen all have these weird quasi-Southern accents . Kris and Jesse both sound like they`re from the Valley which is a bit closer to the Ohio accent but not quite . It`s like , is anyone in The Reimagining even from the Midwest , originally ? `Cause , they sure don`t sound it !
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tranimation-art Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Professional Filmographer
Even the previous franchise, Springwood, Ohio had tropical Californian palm trees. At least the reboot didn't. :XD:
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Orange County isn`t True Valley , dude . A lot of people just can`t tell the difference because a lot of the same slang is used such as " like " , " totally " , " rad " . The stereotypical " Valleygirl " accent is actually a mix of Prep , Orange County , Beverly Hills , NorCal and Surfer . Very few Valleygirls actually sound like that and most of the ones that do are spoiled , superficial ditzes . Furthermore , the Valley is very diverse accent-wise . Glendale , Northridge , Bakersfield and Van Nuys in no way have the same accent . Furthermore , most people who live in The Valley are transplants from Ukraine , Finland , Canada , the U.K. and/or The South and most people born there ( Like myself ) do not live there for long . Little-known fact .
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Glendale and Bakersfield is where my Californian friend was born and raised, she moved to Orange County to be closer to Los Angeles. She has a Valley accent; I didn't mean she had the stereotypical "totally" CLUELESS preppy mall brat Valley Girl accent (although, she can do a great impression of it). I meant the normal Californian "I'm from the Valley" accent.

Found out Jackie's born and raised in Northridge, so VALLEY. I remember that in BAD NEWS BEARS sequel, his character of Kelly Leak said he was from Van Nys and I remember nodding and going "I can see that [because of your accent]."

My Texan twang is very subtle, but it is there. I stopped myself from saying "ya'll" around high school because I felt I talked too Southern, which annoyed me, and I remind my mother hating that word for a long time. My brother says "ya'll," however.

I remember cousins from Germany were very disappointed when they came to visit Dallas. They thought everyone here wore cowboy boots and hats and giant buckles, rode a horse to school, the land was desert filled with cacti, and everyone sounded like John Wayne. I thought that was super cute and replied, "You'll have to go a few more miles northwest for that. Dallas is too urbane for that." I live in suburbia, smack in the middle of the city and the boonies -- two minutes south is city life, two minutes north is cows and horses, go another twenty minutes north is downtown with yuppies, go another twenty south is just nothing but farmland with rednecks. :XD:
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Ya and Robert Englund`s from Glendale like me . Which makes both Freddys Valleyboys playing a creepy Midwesterner !
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Ya , I totally get what you`re saying about Fred Krueger being a vagrant . In the previous franchise , it was his Real Name but in the New Franchise , who knows ? Afterall , in The Reimagining it`s technically not even the real Freddy but the repressed memory of Freddy who comes back for revenge on the teenagers of Springwood who sold him out to their parents as children despite promising they wouldn`t ( Not that he gave them much choice in the matter ) and got him burned to death .
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Exactly, in the reboot, we don't know who Freddy is, truly is. We could have taken the character in a completely different direction; but for INNOCENT DEMON, we wanted to keep the character of Freddy familiar, by using aspects of the previous franchise, and yet establish something new. There are the major inconsistencies of the previous franchise and this gives us a chance to improve them, re-tell them, or completely redo them, such as the origin of the "son of hundred maniacs" has a completely different explanation. We're on the verge of showing Amanda Krueger's origins. Her origins are, also, different from what's established in the previous franchise; we made it far more sinister. Or, at least, I really HOPE we do.
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WrathFan99 Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2012  Student General Artist
Understandable . True , the inconsistencies of the previous franchise always bugged the freakin` hell outta meh . Sounds awesome !
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Thanks! Appreciate that! ;p
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Ya , I saw LINCOLN and totally loved it ! Jackie was such a sleazebag in that Film ( Not surprising considering he was playing the Confederate Vice President ) . Though from the research I did , apparently the dude wasn`t such a bad guy in Real Life so I wonder why they portrayed him as such in The Film . Ya , the Midwestern accent wasn`t what surprised me with Jackie`s Freddy as Robert`s Freddy had that gutteral Midwestern accent as well , the sudden accent change was what I couldn`t quite wrap my head around . Then again , Freddy`s voice has always been fairly inconsistent .
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Sadly, it's because the heroes of the film are the Northern Yankees and the enemies are the Southern Rebels. It's just easier for a film to give the villains of a face. In Civil War epics, the heroes at 98% of the time are the Yankees; Rebels are treated as scum. Hollywood standards, dude. It's been nearly 200 years and we still can't live it down!

(waves a tiny Confederate flag shyly, meekly) It's pride, not prejudice... (runs away from the flying armada of fruit and vegetables aimed at her) Eeeeeeeeeek!

Still, I think the "vagrant" origins, where he travelled everywhere yet nowhere, probably explain Freddy's mix-bag accent the best. If it works for you, we'll place more emphasis on that than we originally intended to.

Other than that, how'd you enjoy INNOCENT DEMON pastiche so far? Love to hear any other opinions.
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